One of the biggest phrases ever dreamed up in the TV marketing world, was “Must See TV”. In the 90’s, NBC and “Must See TV” became destination television for the entire country on Thursday nights. There was Seinfeld, Friends, Frasier, ER… And another show that was perfectly cast, about a tiny airline in Nantucket, run by two witty and engaging brothers. That show was “Wings”. This is Still Here Hollywood. I’m Steve Kmetko. Join me with today’s guest, and one of the stars of “Wings”, Steven Weber.
This is Still Here Hollywood. I’m Steve Kmetko. Join me with today’s guest, and one of the stars of “Wings”, Steven Weber.
One of the biggest phrases ever dreamed up in the TV marketing world, was “Must See TV”.
In the 90’s, NBC and “Must See TV” became destination television for the entire country on Thursday nights. There was Seinfeld, Friends, Frasier, ER… And another show that was perfectly cast, about a tiny airline in Nantucket, run by two witty and engaging brothers. That show was “Wings”.
Steve Kmetko
Yes, I'm still here Hollywood. Just ahead. On today's episode.
Steven Weber
You learn some valuable lessons when you’re not on Must See TV anymore.
Be nice. Nobody's forced to work in this industry, and it's not only a good thing tactically to be nice to the PA or to the intern, or to the first, second, third, fourth AD because the way this industry works, in three years or five years, you'll be begging that person for work.
I thought this is the way it’s always gonna be.
I still feel that I have creative levels to reach that I have not yet reached. Part of that is because I haven't allowed myself or believed in myself enough.
I have some regrets about how I regarded myself in it. I don't think I took myself as seriously as I should have or could have.
Steve Kmetko
One of the biggest phrases ever dreamed up in the TV marketing world was, must see TV in the nineties, NBC and must-see TV became destination television for the entire country on Thursday nights. There was Seinfeld, friends, Frazier, ER, and another show that was perfectly cast about a tiny airline in Nantucket, run by two witty and engaging brothers. That show was Wings. This is still here Hollywood. I’m Steve Kmetko. Join me with today's guest and one of the stars of Wings, Steven Weber.
Steve Kmetko
Hello, Steven.
Steven Weber
Well, hello, Steven?
Steve Kmetko
Yes pH.
Steven Weber
Oh, fancy pants.
Steve Kmetko
No, you know what, here I am, 70 years old. And for as long as I can remember it, everybody pronounces it Stephan.
Steven Weber
Who do you Hang out with?
Steve Kmetko
The lady at American Airlines yesterday. Oh, that's Stephan Kmetko.
Steven Weber
No, that's a comment on education in America.
Steve Kmetko
Maybe. I always thought Stephan was spelled with an F.
Steven Weber
Same. Well, good talking to you.
Steve Kmetko
Good talking to you too. So, what are you up to these days? Fill me in?
Steven Weber
Okay. Well professionally, I've been blessed to be working on a show called Chicago Med, which is part of the Dick Wolf universe. He rules about two thirds of the television world, and we shoot it in Chicago. And I love doing that show, and it's a nice hit, I guess even in today's bizarre world doing that. And I, you know, I'm kind of on the back end of life and I'm 62, and look, I could live 40 more years. It won't be pretty, but I could live 40 more years. I have two wonderful sons.
Steve Kmetko
How old are your sons, if you don't mind my asking?
Steven Weber
I don't know.
Steve Kmetko
You don't know?
Steven Weber
I know. No. They're 22 and 20 they're both musicians and they're both great guys.
Steve Kmetko
And they're adults. They're people you can talk to now.
Steven Weber
Well, they are, yes. They are adults. It's hard for me to treat them like adults, which is something that they kind of don't tell you in parenting school. You get the rules about being a parent lead you up to about 12 or 13, and then they say you're on your own. But they are adults, sort of. But they've been I think they have some arrested development a little bit. They're great. They're fantastic musicians first of all. Very smart, very loving. Can't flush a toilet. Okay.
Steve Kmetko
You're not supposed to in California.
Steven Weber
Well, you're not well, that's right. Because of the drought. Okay, great. Life is interesting. I feel like I'm wiser and I'm wearier, but I'm still navigating.
Steve Kmetko
You still like doing what you do.
Steven Weber
Yes, I do. I've been doing it about 40 years now, and I'm incredibly grateful that I've been able to do it for as long as I have been. I still feel that I have creative levels to reach that I have not yet reached. Part of that is because I haven't allowed myself or believed in myself enough. Another part is that people see me in a specific way, Mr. Funny pants from the ninety’s wings and all that stuff. But very happy to be working in this occasionally challenging industry. But there's it's full of great people and great opportunity.
Steve Kmetko
When my parent, my father was a Baptist minister, and we used to call my mom the Virgin Alice.
Steven Weber
In front of him.
Steve Kmetko
No. When they used to come visit me out here one of the few shows, we could all watch together was Wings.
Steven Weber
Really. That's right.
Steve Kmetko
And we enjoy, I enjoyed it. They enjoyed it.
Steven Weber
It was a fairly anodyne show in a way. I mean, it was a hit, but it was also what I refer to as a kind of utility show. It was a hit, but also it was firmly lodged between, I want to say friends and Seinfeld and all these other edgier, hotter, sexier shows. Wings was a less challenging show, but funny nonetheless, I think they kind of what is it proved the rule. And which, if it's funny. It doesn't have to be political, or it doesn't have to be current necessarily. When I watch, when the old episodes now, they're old most of them are still pretty funny.
Steve Kmetko
I saw you say not long ago. That when you watch it now and was that still fairly early in your career? Not really. You had been doing it for a while.
Steven Weber
A little while.
Steve Kmetko
But one of the things you said was watching it. Now, you're not certain you would hire you.
Steven Weber
Well maybe that's more of a reflection of myself now seeing myself and knowing who I was back then. I was relatively brash and kind of maybe edgy for that genre, was I don't know, maybe just in auditions. Very likable, I suppose. But I didn't, I'm not a fan of my acting back then on that show. And it took a few years to get to become more relaxed, to the point where when I watched the later episodes, I want to say for maybe the third or fourth season on then I see that I'm okay. I'm good enough. Everybody was but those early episodes are very broad and a little hard for me to watch.
Steve Kmetko
That was quite a cast you had on that show. You didn't, I didn't know it at the time.
Steven Weber
Yeah, we didn't know it either.
Steve Kmetko
But Tony Shalhoub,
Steven Weber
Tony Shalhoub, Tom Church.
Steve Kmetko
Tim Daley, Crystal,
Steven Weber
Tim Daley, Crystal Bernard Amy Yasbeck, Rebecca Schul, David Schram all wonderful actors. And the thing is that pretty much we all pinched ourselves and realized what a, what a good opportunity it was to be on that show. And again, we were always reminded of how humble the show was, even in at its height, again being surrounded by the cream of NBC. And those were amazing days in terms of television.
Steve Kmetko
Talk about gravy days.
Steven Weber
Incredible. I mean, must see TV. And again, to name those shows, friends Er Seinfeld and every other show on, on all the other networks.
Steve Kmetko
Frazier.
Steven Weber
Frazier. It was incredible. Cheers. I mean, when we started and we shot on the Paramount lot, I would hang out with the cast from Cheers. So exciting. So, it was really, really wonderful.
Steve Kmetko
Have you ever had any regrets about going into what your line of work?
Steven Weber
No, no regrets about going into the line of work. I have some regrets about how I regarded myself in it. I don't think I took myself as seriously as I should have or could have. That said, I can't have any regrets about how it's going, because I'm sitting here with you now. And I'm really happy about that. I have a good career and I'm still working again, in an industry which is very unforgiving.
Steve Kmetko
Can be fickle.
Steven Weber
Can be fickle. You know, I think I'm definitely past my shelf life but I'm full of preservatives. So, I don't have any regrets. No, I kind of grew up with show business in the air. My father and mom had been in show business in the fifties. My father was an agent. My mother was a nightclub singer. And so, it was always there, right. They didn't necessarily encourage me, but they didn't discourage me either. And I just found myself going in this place, in this direction, which felt pretty natural.
Steve Kmetko
I had a representative once who said, you said shelf life. And it reminded me, he once said to me when I was trying to find any kind of work. He said face it, Steve, your sell by date has passed.
Steven Weber
Oh my gosh.
Steve Kmetko
Yeah. I pay you for that advice.
Steven Weber
Well, here's the joke about shelf life's and expiration dates. They're only put there so that the store can rotate its stock. And for the most part, products with expiration dates are still fresh and still edible. Remember that now, if somebody eats that, eats something, and because I say so and they get really sick, or they die, don't blame me drunk and really drunk.
Steve Kmetko
They're always good. At least a week after this.
Steven Weber
By date, at least. I mean, I'm not talking about meat necessarily. Well, maybe I am.
Steve Kmetko
Dairy products.
Steven Weber
Dairy products. Hey, listen, I like a little pulp in my water.
Steve Kmetko
My milk. Chunky milk.
Steven Weber
Chunky milk.
Steve Kmetko
Very good. How did you originally find your way into this? Into acting?
Steven Weber
Into acting?
Steve Kmetko
And you're a writer.
Steven Weber
I mean, I write, but I wouldn't say that I'm a writer. Writing is a completely different discipline. I found my way in as a kid, as a young hammy kid, trying to impress adults, probably because of my parents' life in show business. I was trying to get their affection. So, I knew a lot of their references. And so I read a lot of film books and TV books, and I was able to comport myself to their contemporaries by talking about early TV that I could not have watched. But they were and doing the requisite kind of corny impressions. So I was performing at an early age for affirmation, and then began to do school plays at a young age. And then my parents were able to get me auditions for commercials. And so, I did a few commercials, which actually ran in the sixties in the era of the 60 second commercial. And I worked with some cool actors. Frances Stern Hogan was in one of my, yeah.
Steve Kmetko
Saw her in driving must days. She was so wonderful.
Steven Weber
She's so wonderful. Well, she was kind of the first real actor who years later was still working. And it was for Gleam toothpaste. But so, I started doing that. And then I found my way in high school. I went to the high school performing arts fame. I want to live forever, and did that and got my first kind of serious exposure to the craft, and potentially the art and the creativity of acting. And then I went to state University of New York at Purchase, which is a great theater school, kind of like the Liberal Juilliard. And a lot of great actors have come from there, like Edie Falco and Stan Tucci, and Wesley Snipes, and Ving Rames and great directors. And so, I just found myself doing this.
Steve Kmetko
A liberal Julliard.
Steven Weber
That's what I like to say. Well, a liberal Juilliard in the sense that it was less of a conservatory, less up its own ass. Can I say?
Steve Kmetko
Yeah.
Steven Weber
Less up its own ass. And its nose wasn't in the air. Listen, it cost a lot less. And it was the only school I got into. But it turned out to be the best place that I could have gone to.
Steve Kmetko
Isn't my story fascinating?
Steven Weber
Yes.
Steve Kmetko
Its kind of is, isn't it?
Steven Weber
Well, and I'm telling it in these velvet tones. See, another thing that I found at my age is that I can get down here. When I look at,
Steve Kmetko
Isn't that nice? It's really nice. First thing in the morning.
Steven Weber
That's right. Hi there. I have nobody to say this to, but I say to my dog, hi there. I say.
Steve Kmetko
What kind of a dog?
Steven Weber
She, her first name is Cat. Cat, the dog. And she is Jack Russell, mixed with a dachshund.
Steve Kmetko
Oh my God.
Steven Weber
Well, she's not as, see the dachshund cuts the psychosis. So, she's muscly and fast, but she's fairly calm, like me.
Steve Kmetko
I have a dachshund, a miniature dachshund rescue.
Steven Weber
Cute.
Steve Kmetko
Oh, buddy. He came with the name Shiitake. But I said: I can't have a Shiitake. And I have a Rat Terrier.
Steven Weber
And Okay.
Steve Kmetko
Named Sophie. She's a rescue too.
Steven Weber
And did they get along?
Steve Kmetko
They get along great.
Steven Weber
I'm being encouraged to get another dog to keep her company, but I'm it's hard.
Steve Kmetko
How old is?
Steven Weber
She's about six Cat. The dog Cat. The dog is about six.
Steve Kmetko
I had a cat named Kitty Carlisle.
Steven Weber
Kitty Carlisle, that’s not, so you and I can appreciate it. Hey, Kitty Carlisle.
Steve Kmetko
I'm gay. Doesn't Choose funny.
Steven Weber
It's a commendable now.
Steve Kmetko
Now, finally. Lucky bastard. Hey, I lost a job once because of it.
Steven Weber
Yeah. Now where's that person?
Steve Kmetko
I don't know. And I don't care.
Steven Weber
And they're straight.
Steve Kmetko
Yes. Let's see, where was I?
Steven Weber
I don't know. Cat the dog. Kitty Carlisle. And you're gay. We'll be right back.
Steve Kmetko
Stay tuned.
Steven Weber
Stay tuned.
Steve Kmetko
That doesn't get them to stay tuned. What, do you have a particular role or project that you worked on that is a favorite that you think of most fondly?
Steven Weber
For pure kind of satisfaction about, I guess, executing what it is that I do, what I have been trying to do would be on the show, studio 60, on the Sunset Strip, which was an Aaron Sorkin show, which ran for one season, could have used at least one more. But it was a great show with Matthew Perry and Brad Whiteford, and Amanda Pete, and a bunch of amazing actors. And I had a great supporting role on it that was perfectly written. And for some reason, I was able to do it in a way that gives me great satisfaction. That's something that I can watch and not whinge while I'm watching. That was a good one. I've done some theater, which has given me great satisfaction. I'm not saying I was particularly good in it, but it was so satisfying to do. I did the Producers on Broadway for about 10 months, and that was sensational every possible, I mean, sensational is the word. Every possible sensation that you associate with being in a Broadway musical and something like that, which was at the time still so popular and taking New York by Storm that was incredibly satisfying. And amazing. I loved that show. It was a great show. It was a great show.
Steve Kmetko
Mel Brooks did a great job on it.
Steven Weber
He certainly did. And it wasn't just him, it was everybody involved. And it was an eye-opening experience on a lot of levels. To see the machinations backstage, literally the technical team, the crew, the swings, I learned so much the ensemble, I learned so much about what goes into the making of a show on that scale. It was truly incredible. It was great.
Steve Kmetko
I remember sitting in the audience and it was, you were enveloped. You know, by the laughter and the applause. And there was a thunderstorm going on outside and a loud clap of thunder that Nathan Lane proceeded to play off of.
Steven Weber
Of course.
Steve Kmetko
And it was hysterical. And I was sitting behind Terry Garr. And in front of Jessica Lange and her children.
Steven Weber
Are you kidding?
Steve Kmetko
No. And at intermission, I remember I'm share this.
Steven Weber
We can cut it out if.
Steve Kmetko
I went to disgusting. I went to use the bathroom downstairs.
Steven Weber
Let's cut this out.
Steve Kmetko
And there was, it was full of people running back and forth up and down the stairs. And Teri Garr has MS. I think it's quite well known. And she was trying to get down the stairs and people were not allowing her. And I saw what was going on, and I went back to her and I said, do you need help? She said: could you just get me to the other side of the staircase? I said: sure, come on. I gave her a lot of credit for that because God, I think if I were in that situation, I would have a difficult time.
Steven Weber
You mean how is the public is seeing you and all that stuff?
Steve Kmetko
Yes. Well, and also the manner in which she was being treated by her fellow theater goers, like, come on.
Steven Weber
Really?
Steve Kmetko
Yeah. They were.
Steven Weber
Oh, that's terrible.
Steve Kmetko
They, nobody took notice. So anyway.
Steven Weber
One of the fun things about this career in this particular industry is that you get to occasionally come into contact with people like Teri Garr or and Mel Brooks. And they might not be lasting deep relationships, but they're just little benign collisions. And I forget because it has happened with some frequency that it's actually pretty special. You know, that for the most part, of course, the vast majority of the world who are familiar with people, are familiar with stars and celebrities will never have the opportunity to see them in real life or anything like that. But we have been able to kind of talk to them or observe them and see them warts in all. I mean, you and it can be wonderful.
I mean, I've had some can I tell this one where I when I first got to LA, probably in 88, I was stuck in traffic outside the Chateau Marmont and inching my car, inching. And I think the Marlboro Man sign was still there. Marlboro, man. Glad I quit smoking. And there was somebody in the car up on my left side, and I can see the passenger in silhouette, a woman, cause based on her hair, I guess haranguing, haranguing the driver. I couldn't hear it, obviously. And I'm inching up and I get to where I can see who it is. And it's Dolly Parton.
Steve Kmetko
No kidding.
Steven Weber
Oh, yeah. Screaming at I don't know her husband or driver. I know who it's, and I lived Dolly Parton and I'm, she must have had a great excuse, but holy smokes, that was basically, that was actually my second celebrity encounter on that skill. Can I tell you my first one?
Steve Kmetko
Yes.
Steven Weber
Alright. So, when I came out here to audition for Wings, this was I guess the third, maybe the third audition. I was waiting to hear after testing for it, doing a screen test. They put me up at the Hollywood, Roosevelt Hotel, Classic Hollywood Haunt, maybe literally, who knows how many horrible spirits are there from the twenties and thirties. And I'm making a phone call on a payphone. Remember payphone, Steve?
Steve Kmetko
Yes. I do.
Steven Weber
And I'm calling, I think my agent in New York, and the payphone was at the foot of a staircase. And suddenly I'm on the phone, and suddenly I realize that there's people kind of gathering at the foot of the staircase. And they're all, it almost looked like a twins convention now. People were wearing badges and insignias and everything, and it was pretty odd. And they were looking up on to the top of the staircase. And I'm on the phone with my agent. I look up and it's Engelbert Humperdinck descending the stairs to meet his fans. And I was like one second. I was like, witnessing something out of the Bible. That was it. Isn't that a great story, Steve?
Steve Kmetko
It is full of great stories. I enjoy these encounters, these chance encounters. You have. I had one up on sunset Boulevard. No, no, no. Franklin there's a little restaurant called La Poubelle .
Steven Weber
La Poubelle next to Birds.
Steve Kmetko
Next to Birds. And I was sitting there having a bite to eat once, and I looked over and the person at the next table was Kathy Bates. And I was a huge fan of her. I'd seen her in night mother on Broadway. And Frankie and Johnny and the Clair De Lune at the Mark Tapper. And I had run into her at some other places too. She was one of those people that I kept running into. And she, I love her to bits nice.
Steven Weber
And nice.
Steve Kmetko
And nice. And such a good actress. We don't say actress anymore.
Steven Weber
No, we don't. We don't. Come on, get modern.
Steve Kmetko
Yeah. I'm trying.
Steven Weber
Get up to speed.
Steve Kmetko
I'm trying.
Steven Weber
I'm Going to cancel you. All right. I'm on canceling you.
Steve Kmetko
And then one other time went to, I was invited to a screening of Sweetheart's Dance.
Steven Weber
What is that?
Steve Kmetko
That was a movie with Don Johnson.
Steven Weber
Oh my gosh.
Steve Kmetko
And it was a charity screening in Westwood. And at the time, he was dating Barbara Streisand.
Steven Weber
Holy smokes.
Steve Kmetko
And I had taken, my sister was visiting me at that time, and I said, do you want to go? I can go to these things anytime. They say Barbara Streisand might be there.
Steven Weber
Right. Dip.
Steve Kmetko
She was a, Becky was a huge Streisand fan. And I remember she sat through the movie and Streisand was in the row right behind us, and she kept going. Through the whole movie. And that little reception in the parking lot right next to the Westwood Memorial Cemetery.
Steven Weber
Which is an amazing cemetery.
Steve Kmetko
It is. You want to see stars.
Steven Weber
Oh, man. And they will not run from you.
Steve Kmetko
No. But the person who was working the party came up and said: would you like to meet Barbara? And I said to my sister, Becky, please. Cool. Okay. Hello, nice to meet you. Nah, nah, nah, I enjoyed the movie. Oh, Ms. Streisand, I'm such a big fan, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, and it was really, it was kind of cute. And she's has since passed away, my sister, not Streisand. And I'm really glad I had that moment to give her.
Steven Weber
That's nice. Was she at least pleasant to Becky?
Steve Kmetko
Oh, she was extremely pleasant.
Steven Weber
That's nice.
Steve Kmetko
And she kept pointing out, wasn't he? You know, talking about Don Johnson wasn't good. It was like, it was a very nice experience.
Steven Weber
Now, I want to ask you one thing, though.
Steve Kmetko
Yes.
Steven Weber
Becky Kmetko.
Steve Kmetko
Yes. She was Becky Kmetko.
Steven Weber
Rebecca Kmetko.
Steve Kmetko
My father was a minister. My mother. I told you the Virgin Alice.
Steven Weber
Rebecca Kmetko.
Steve Kmetko
Yep.
Steven Weber
That's hard.
Steve Kmetko
All the, their five children were all named after people in the Bible.
Steven Weber
Okay.
Steve Kmetko
Steven got stoned. Boy did he get stoned?
Steven Weber
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Steve Kmetko
And Judith.
Steven Weber
Enos Judith, okay.
Steve Kmetko
Thomas.
Steven Weber
Hezekiah.
Steve Kmetko
No, no. Zechariah. No, none of that. But anyway, it was a nice experience.
Steven Weber
Well, yeah. Look I mean, we could talk about show business and all that stuff, but that's one of the great, I'm still a fan. I've been doing this for 40 years and met a bunch of people, but I still fan out. And I wish I didn't, because then it prevents me from having a decent conversation with somebody who might be a peer, might be a pal, a peer pal. I was once at a party, and there was a guy who I was talking to, and we were talking films, and his name was Steve, another Steve. This town is lousy with Steves. And I guess I was my charming, witty self. And he was funny. And we were given and taking. And then finally, I guess I said to my wife, I said, well, who was that? She said, Stephen Soderbergh. And I shut down and became a kind of dissembling distracted idiot. And that was the end, still waiting for him to call me back.
Steve Kmetko
He married my former co-host, Jules Asner.
Steven Weber
Holy smokes.
Steve Kmetko
And so, I had the occasion of encountering him a number of times.
Steven Weber
Are they still married?
Steve Kmetko
I believe so.
Steven Weber
Okay. Alright. Don't get well mad about it.
Steve Kmetko
I don't want to start a rumor. If they aren't.
Steven Weber
Why not.
Steve Kmetko
And he's just a really nice guy at the east.
Steven Weber
A nice guy.
Steve Kmetko
And talented.
Steven Weber
So talented. But I ruined things all the time. I just get, I'm too much of a fan. And I realize that I need to cut it out in these few, in the remaining years of my career. I better cut it out. If I ever want to work with anybody of any import instead of the, the dregs of the industry that I've been forced to work with.
Steve Kmetko
We'll be back for more in a moment.
Steven Weber
I'm older and have fewer roles coming my way. We'll be right back.
I was cast in a lot of those roles doing that same thing. The jerk. Affable, womanizing dickhead.
Steve Kmetko
Did you go to Second City in Chicago or Toronto to you observe or to study?
Steven Weber
I never studied improv at those places, but I was privileged to, I went up a couple of times at those places. Not at Toronto. In Toronto I would just go to watch. Early on, I want to say in the early nineties, I was doing movie in Chicago and went up and played with those, with them. I've gone up at UCB in LA and it's not anything that I've studied, but over the years, I've kind of observed the rudiments of it. And I think I've learned some of them. I have nothing but the greatest admiration for those people and comedians in general nowadays who thrive on I'm not saying they want it to happen, but they're perfectly able to comport themselves when the audience, when something spontaneous occurs. And I'm never less in awe than in improvisers at Second City in Chicago. I doing a Chicago Med. You know, I don't go to clubs anymore. And also, this was still during COVID. So, I would take myself to the theater and I went to see Steppenwolf and the Goodman. But I went several times to see Second City. And man, it's incredible. They're so gifted and amazing.
Steve Kmetko
Chicago's a great city for that.
Steven Weber
It's great, man. Chicago is fantastic.
Steve Kmetko
I love Goodman and Steppenwolf.
Steven Weber
It's amazing.
Steve Kmetko
So many people came out of Steppenwolf.
Steven Weber
So many people.
Steve Kmetko
So many people.
Steven Weber
And the current crop of actors and creators there are stupendous. I mean, it's just great. Chicago in general was something that I was a place that you only hear about if you've never been. And it has a weird narrative, especially nowadays. It's so dangerous. So, that it's a fantastic city, great people, my joke, I guess at the city's expenses that the city is paved with meat. But and man, you can eat steaks until you collapse. They're good steaks. But still, I think they need a few more Whole Foods markets something.
Steve Kmetko
Whole check. Whole paycheck.
Steven Weber
Whole Paycheck. What my friend used to call, the food hole.
Steve Kmetko
The food hole. Speaking of famous people you've encountered, are there some talents that are no longer around that you wish you could have worked with?
Steven Weber
Oh, gosh. I actually spend a lot of my time watching, I guess, old movies that they call old movies. I rarely watch new television shows. And just recently I was watching I was watching The Hustler with Paul Newman and Piper Laurie, and George C. Scott. And I wish,
Steve Kmetko
Was Jackie Gleason in that?
Steven Weber
Jackie Gleason. I mean, Jackie Gleason was brilliant in it. But the thing that I really would like is one day to have a director who kind of knows how to use me. In other words, I'm the perfect cannon fodder of an actor. I, you tell me what to do, I'll do it. I'm not so good at kind of generating my own genius. You know, I'm a pawn and happily so. But we all hear of these, the whether it's the kind of De Niro Scorsese dynamic or relationship something like that. Or Von Sternberg and Dietrich, whoever it is, there's somebody who kind of knows you or knows how to manipulate you or get the light on you and knows how to draw from you what one can't draw from oneself. And so, I would love to find somebody like that. So, if there's anybody out there watching. You have free reign to manipulate me. I don't care who you are.
Steve Kmetko
Hitchcock was one of those people.
Steven Weber
I mean yeah. Of course.
Steve Kmetko
Who use the same actors quite frequently. Including his daughter, I believe. Patricia Hitchcock.
Steven Weber
That's right. Who was good?
Steve Kmetko
Yes.
Steven Weber
She was very good.
Steve Kmetko
I just saw her the other day in strangers on a Train.
Steven Weber
She's great. The glasses she gets, I'm sorry, I keep hearing this. She gets it.
Steve Kmetko
Yes. And Psycho, where she's the other secretary.
Steven Weber
Oh, that's right.
Steve Kmetko
And she said he must have seen my wedding rings.
Steven Weber
That's right. I, well, first of all, I love that movie anyway. And just for the technical stuff just for the camera work and for the editing, and I mean, look, there's, again, I have a great deal of gratitude being able to work in this industry that I've never had to work in another one. There's lots of fun. It rewarding in many ways. It's not without its challenges. And that's also part of the fun. But I still feel like there's a lot I want to accomplish. Maybe you can help me.
Steve Kmetko
I'll try.
Steven Weber
Please.
Steve Kmetko
You might want to raise your bar.
Steven Weber
Make a call.
Steve Kmetko
Nobody takes my calls.
Steven Weber
Oh, gosh.
Steve Kmetko
You know how that goes.
Steven Weber
We'll be right back. Maybe. I do. We'll be right back.
Steve Kmetko
I asked you earlier when you came in about Single White Female.
Steven Weber
Oh, God. Yeah.
Steve Kmetko
Why do you laugh?
Steven Weber
Why do I laugh? Because it's such a cool film. It's a real genre film. It's real eighties thriller, I suppose. Why do I laugh? Because my role in it contains actually a fairly iconic sequence where I get killed, spoiler alert, by having a high heel thrust through my eyeball. And it has remained a kind of a funny, and as I say, iconic sequence. And it falls into the category of me watching a of being difficult for me to watch right now with my long hair and my kind of presumptuous, kind of young, brash idiocy. And I was cast in a lot of those roles doing that same thing. The jerk, affable, womanizing dickhead. And so it's hard for me to watch that, but it's a fun movie. I mean, it's a real genre thriller. What, why were you watching it?
Steve Kmetko
I think maybe because I thought I was going to be interviewing you. And I wanted to refresh my memory, but I remember it being a good movie. I remember being in the theater when she takes her stiletto. And it was like.
Steven Weber
That's right.
Steve Kmetko
You didn't see that very often.
Steven Weber
No. Now that's tame. Now you can show that to children.
Steve Kmetko
Yeah.
Steven Weber
Single White Female. That was fun.
Steve Kmetko
Jennifer Jason Lee.
Steven Weber
Jason Lee was, yeah.
Steve Kmetko
Bridget Fonda yourself.
Steven Weber
That's right. It was really good. It was really fun. It was good. It was fun. And it was good. And violent and sexy and weird. And it was beautifully shot. It was a film. I mean, that's why it's so much fun. It was really great.
Steve Kmetko
If you had the chance to relive some film or a television show you've done before, what would it be?
Steven Weber
It would probably be the Shining miniseries that I did for ABC. There was three nights of a miniseries of The Shining Stephen King's shining. He was famously unhappy with Kubrick's version of it, while being able to acknowledge that it was a great classic fantastically made film. It wasn't his shining; it was Stanley Kubrick's Shining. And so, he and the great director Garris decided to do something that was faithful to his book, his story. And the only place that they could do that, that would allow them to do it, ironically enough, was tv, which would give them the time to do it. And King was at his height. I don't know if he's ever left.
Steve Kmetko
No. The, I don't think so.
Steven Weber
But he certainly was height of popularity back then. And I think it was 1995. And I was fortunate enough to get cast as Jack Torrance, famously played by Jack Nicholson in the Kubrick film. And the difference between the miniseries and the Kubrick film was that there was a real trajectory and real arc in the characters and all the development of the story. So, my character didn't walk in immediately and scare you.
Steve Kmetko
That's a good Jack face. You just did.
Steven Weber
Yes.
Steve Kmetko
Very good.
Steven Weber
Yeah, Wendy and Rebecca de Mornay was in it. She was amazing. And it was pretty decently received. I think. People still on many levels, preferred Kubrick's, slicker, scarier, more iconic film. But the king Faithful actually prefer the miniseries that I did, that we did. So that's the one that I would redo because I was younger then and I did not have an appreciation of, or an understanding of what that character was going through, because that story is less about monsters and a house that, a building that is full of demons and more about, I want to say alcoholism, and more about those demons and dysfunctional families. And as the years went on, I passed, after that movie, I was able to understand those things much better. And so I would love to go back and redo a bunch of things with the understanding of what that character was really going through.
But at the time, I was enjoying myself. Like crazy monsters got to wear makeup, I got to work with Billy Corso, Oscar winning makeup artists, special effects guys, and Steve Johnson. I mean, it was just fantastic. But I would definitely redo, I would redo a lot of things that I did. I was lucky. And I guess I was able to get hired for certain reasons, but I had a very limited understanding of what I was doing a lot of the time. And I was skimming I wanted to go deeper. That's what I'm for about taking myself more seriously in the business. And now that I can do it. I'm older and have fewer roles coming my way. We'll be right back. The sad Steve Kmetko Show.
Steve Kmetko
Oh, please. Let's not go there.
Steven Weber
Okay. But that's the hook.
Steve Kmetko
Oh, it is.
Steven Weber
Isn't It?
Steve Kmetko
I don't know.
Steven Weber
Okay. Never mind.
Steve Kmetko
We could talk about my stroke. I had a stroke last year.
Steven Weber
You had a stroke?
Steve Kmetko
Yes.
Steven Weber
How was that?
Steve Kmetko
It was great fun.
Steven Weber
Tell me about your stroke.
Steve Kmetko
I was filling up my car at a gas station, and I collapsed. And I was able to get myself up, but then I couldn't figure, I knew I had to finish filling my tank with gas, and I couldn't get, I couldn't figure it out how to do it. It was a real strange experience.
Steven Weber
And so had there been anything any indications leading up to it?
Steve Kmetko
Nothing. Nope. I know I was driving down the street, driving and I pulled into this gas station because my car was really low on gas. I was coming from the dentist's office, which was fun. Couldn't happen sooner. And I pulled in and I was having trouble even pulling up to the you know; I couldn't figure it out. But I was very lucky in that the attendant at the gas station called an ambulance. They took me to a hospital in Chicago, which performs this fairly new procedure where they literally are able to go in and suck out the clot or whatever it is that's blocking. And when I left the hospital, excuse me, I was there for a month and then I had six weeks of physical therapy. The doctor said to me, you didn't happen to buy a lottery ticket that day, did you? And I said, no. Why? Because you were really lucky. I said, oh,
Steven Weber
What do you mean you won?
Steve Kmetko
No, I would've died.
Steven Weber
Oh, I see. That's where my mind goes.
Steve Kmetko
No, I wish I had.
Steven Weber
I got a stroke and I won a million dollars. Wow. Oh my gosh.
Steve Kmetko
That would've been nice.
Steven Weber
That's incredible.
Steve Kmetko
And it's been kind of a slow recovery. I still have some balance issues. If I suddenly lose my train of thought, you'll know what it is. But it was interesting.
Steven Weber
Well, I have to say that this is what we're encountering at this age and what everybody encounters in one way or the other but doesn't really talk about, I'm, I hope you don't mind that we're talking about it. I mean, I think.
Steve Kmetko
I don’t mind, well, it's kind of like going to an AA meeting. If you don't talk about it. Nobody else can get anything from it.
Steven Weber
And it's a reminder that we're all going to the same place.
Steve Kmetko
Yes, we are.
Steven Weber
And all too often people behave as though they have forgotten that or they don't believe it. But you know, life has its weight with you regardless. Look I'm sorry you went through that or are going through that, but Goddamn, you're here.
Steve Kmetko
I kind of thought, turning 70 was going to be easy. Because I was doing so well. And then all of a sudden God has a way.
Steven Weber
Well, but he doesn't give us more than we can handle.
Steve Kmetko
Oh, please.
Steven Weber
I like that. I thank you. I would say, God, I said, the universe doesn't give us, I believe that. Listen, some people can't handle it.
Steve Kmetko
I suppose.
Steven Weber
Yeah. Oh, come on now. Come on, Steve. You can met go.
Steve Kmetko
Well, I tell you, my family treats me much better.
Steven Weber
Well, yeah.
Steve Kmetko
Just a year later.
Steven Weber
Good.
Steve Kmetko
My nieces were all here just a couple of weeks ago. And they're all, of course, they're all younger than me. Not that much anymore. But they would rush out to, if I drove up to my brother's house or something where they were staying, they would rush out and help me up the stairs. And I'm like, hey, you guys, come on.
Steve Kmetko
It's nice.
Steven Weber
Yeah, it was nice. But I suppose I'd rather it didn't happen.
Steven Weber
Look, I won't go into it, but in the last 10, 12 years, I've had some shit happen. You know, life has happened, and it's been really challenging. And I suppose I would like to go back and not have it happen. But it's even ridiculous to think of that. It made me into a person that I never would've been I'm not saying that was easy, but I'm not sure I would be nearly as lovable as I am now. Or accessible or thoughtful. And I'm not saying it's easy, but, and when you have kids, which I do have those two sons who can't flush a toilet, as we discussed. I wonder what life is going to be for them and what they will encounter. And nobody gets out of here unscathed.
Steve Kmetko
No.
Steven Weber
And some people have it way worse.
Steve Kmetko
Nobody gets out of this life alive.
Steven Weber
I really, what?
Steve Kmetko
Nobody gets out of life alive.
Steven Weber
I heard you. I was just shocked. Let's not fight. Not everything is that interesting. And not everything is eligible for consumption. There's something to be said for a world where every, where people don't regurgitate everything online. And it's not real anyway, in a sense. Because it's not full. It's not rich. You don't see every dimension of it. So, if I start talking stuff, if I start telling my personal issues that are deeply important to me, I am skeptical that they will be received well. You know, that I reserve for my closest friends family.
Steve Kmetko
Go for the sympathy.
Steven Weber
Okay. I like to crush puppies.
Steve Kmetko
Okay. Stop there.
Steven Weber
I must crush the puppies. No, it's like this is a world that could be really unforgiving.
Steve Kmetko
So, does Cat the dog know this?
Steven Weber
She's part of it. She’s, my lure. It's dark.
Steve Kmetko
Oh, what instruments do your sons play?
Steven Weber
Well what a segue.
Steve Kmetko
Did you like that?
Steven Weber
So good.
Steve Kmetko
I just came up with it on my own.
Steven Weber
Death. Dying mortality. Hey, tell me about music. Well, my son, my oldest son, Jack is an indie rocker, and he's a composer. He plays the keyboard guitar. He's teaching himself the saxophone, which is kind of painful. But he's dogged and he is talented. And he's touring with a band now called The Props. He also has his own stuff on iTunes under Jack Xander, X-A-N-D-E-R. And he's kind of incredible. His brother, Alfie, who's 20, is an amazing drummer, jazz drummer. And he's at Berkeley College of Music in Boston. And they're both shockingly good. I don't have bullshit or lie that
Steve Kmetko
Yeah. My sons are really good musicians and kind of wince as they play.
Steven Weber
They're really amazing. It does help. I mean, they're young and they're fearless. And they play crappy clubs, low ceilinged clubs, the kinds that I used to go to in New York when I was in my teens that I wouldn't be caught dead in now.
Steve Kmetko
Well, it's fortunate nobody can smoke in those clubs anymore.
Steven Weber
Oh, yes. But it that's only mildly better. They still mosh, it's still seedy and creepy, and they love it. I actually my son was playing, and I'm standing there and they don't like when old people are in the audience, but my wife and I were there and watching her and trying not to applaud and cavel and oh, look at him, cause he's a rocker, and people were dancing and somebody bumped into me hard and I kind of took it. And then somebody else banged into me, a woman. And then the guy bumped into me again and I said I lift weights. I have cosmetic musculature, I'm going to put it to use. And I grabbed this guy, and I must have said something like, something brilliant, okay.
And my son is on stage, and I kind of clock him, and he's looking at me, he's playing, he's looking at me like, and afterwards they were done. And I said, you, see? See the old man, I shut down. This guy said they were moshing, you stop them from moshing. The whole point is moshing, goddammit he was mad at me. And then apparently later on, the guy who I stopped was in another band who went up to my son Jack, who said, hey, some old guy stopped me from Moshing. So, you're humiliating. So, I don't stop him from moshing.
Steve Kmetko
We’ll be back for more, after this.
Steven Weber
I thought this was how it was always gonna be. I’ve reached this rhythm this pitch of how it’s gonna work. I would always be at this level. I was deceiving myself.
Steve Kmetko
Do you think of yourself as an old guy?
Steven Weber
I kind of do. You know, I and it's partly because if I do see myself in some of these early shows, I see a young guy. I see a guy in his thirties, 40 even. But I have this now. And when I don't have that, sometimes I look in the mirror and I say, hey, what's my mother doing here? Oh, that's me. I look like my 86-year-old mom in New York.
Steve Kmetko
Does she have a beard?
Steven Weber
Well, no. She looks great. At least I don't think she has a beard. Steve, please. We'll talk about this. Yeah, you're back. Kmetko’s back. Thank you.
Steve Kmetko
You're welcome. You talk about your wife, but you're not married right now.
Steven Weber
Ah, well, that's part of the complicated thing. So, I'm not married now, but we are in each other's lives. We are in each other's orbits. We are together a lot. More than we're not. We have an investment in each other in our lives. We've been witnesses to every possible madness. And we are still close. We have sons. We have a lot of things that we share. And we decided after a while why not accept where we are and move forward as this unit.
Steve Kmetko
Now be friends.
Steven Weber
Well, yeah. We have always been friends and more than friends. And I'm not making it sound like Dr. Zhivago, but I have to be realistic here, and I have to be respectful and you know, not be dripping with saccharin lovey dovey stuff. You know, again, trying to, I think that's kind of a reflection of where I am after many years of being kind of callow and thoughtless and superficial in many areas, still having fun, still, hopefully being likable and empathetic. But this is something different. You know, I'm spoken for. And I guess it's hard. It's hard to be personal in a world that kind of cleans its claws on vulnerability. So, I have to watch myself here a way.
Steve Kmetko
Would you get married again?
Steven Weber
I mean, it's something that I've come to believe marriage. That it's misunderstood when most people do it. And yet it's inculcated into our society. It's something that you're supposed to do. I don't need to get married. I don't need to have a piece of paper. I need to understand what it's like to be with somebody and to honor them and to have an honest relationship. And these are things that in many ways have eluded me over the years, but which I'm now able to face, I think more honestly, however, imperfectly would I get married. I mean, it's just such a, it's too easy marriage and parenthood are things that people do all the time. The culture celebrates it, but I don't think they really understand what the hell it means to do that stuff. You shouldn't get married before you're 45, and you shouldn't have kids before you're 50. And those are kind of biological impossibilities in a way. But the wisdom, it turns out that one needs to embark on either of those commitments is I think, beyond a lot of people who haven't lived that much life. I mean, like, that's a grotesque generalization, but that's why I'm here.
Steve Kmetko
You're doing a good job.
Steven Weber
Aren't I? Generally speaking,
Steve Kmetko
Fake it till you make it.
Steven Weber
That's right. That's real.
Steve Kmetko
Tell me about, you've worked with some really big people like Mel Brooks, for example. Who gave you the best piece of advice? One, a piece of advice that you might pass on to someone else?
Steven Weber
Right. Well, first of all, I would never, even though I may have gotten some acting advice, I myself would never give acting advice to somebody, because I'm still trying to figure it out myself. But the one thing that was told me, I don't know if it was by Mel, Because Mel, at one point while I was doing, the producers really told me to kind of tone it down, which was shocking to me because it's such a broad piece, right. Such a broad show. But even I was just too big for Mel Brooks living a tone of town. It was hard for me to do. I think I did pretty much, but I can't remember who told me this, but they basically, they said, be nice. Nobody's forced to work in this industry. It's not only a good thing tactically to be nice to the PA or to the intern, or to the first, second, third, fourth AD because the way this industry works, in three years or five years, you'll be begging that person for work.
But also one thing I've learned later on is you get what you give. What you put out comes back to you. And the idea of being nice to somebody, rather than being dismissive or rolling one's eyes, or which is very hard to do on social media, I find myself drawn into really terrible kind of arguments with complete strangers instead of backing away or just kind of taking a breath and being nice if they want to engage. So that's really the, the best advice I've gotten in this particular industry. And the only thing that I would pass on to somebody else is I've seen it work. It's worked for me. I see it work for other people. It's admirable. If somebody like Barbara Streisand is being nice to your sister, to Rebecca Kmetko. If Babs is being nice to Rebecca, I'm sorry, I'm trying to make a stick out that. That's great. And carries so much with it. That's really the only thing that I think I'm capable of credibly passing on to somebody that in Chlamydia, goodnight, everybody.
Steve Kmetko
Was it actually canceled? I can't remember that.
Steven Weber
I think Wings, I think it was mutually agreed upon by the producers and the studio, that would be about it. I mean, we'd gone almost eight seasons. And while I think it wasn't doing as well as it had, although I ironically, probably in its lowest rating, would probably beat a hit show today, a streamer numbers wise, I just know that it was coming to an end and everybody kind of had a tacitly agreed that this is what was going to happen. That, and it was interesting because when it ended, I guess we all thought, okay, now what? Because eight years is a long time.
Steve Kmetko
Oh, yeah.
Steven Weber
It's a long time for a TV show. At the time, it was one of the longest sitcoms ever to have run. Now it's probably been surpassed by a lot of shows, but at the time it was probably in the top 10 shows in the history of television. In terms of its longevity. I think that I assumed that I would work more. And I was proven right, but not necessarily in things that were good after that. I thought I was King Shit in a way. And by that, I thought I was all right, this is I really established myself on this show and what's next for me? And in a way, I was treated like that. I was treated by my representatives who saw a possibility of going to a next level. And I was in fact, given the opportunity to do my own show which I did almost a season of. And this was called originally Cursed. It was on NBC, and it was with me and Chris Elliot, Wendell Pierce. You know, it was a kind of a mess.
Steve Kmetko
So, what were you thinking the morning after wings ended?
Steven Weber
Well, in a way, I was too young to think deeply about the future. And I was just I thought, this is the way it's always going to be. I've reached this rhythm, this pitch of how to work of, and I would always be at this level. And that I was deceiving myself. Because I kind of maintained it for a little while. But without the quality of the writing and of a show like Wings, I was a little bit, but still, I was able to find good jobs. I was on a show called Once and Again. I was on I did guest spots and some movies and stuff. But at the same time, I have to say the cast of wings was fairly, like I said earlier, humble, fairly realistic.
It's hard not to get infected by the affirmation and the success that you experience. But by the same token, I always told myself that I'm just a regular guy and I'm just going to try to do some theater and just keep acting. So, I wasn't depressed necessarily. But you learn some valuable lessons when you're not on must see TV anymore, and you learn lessons about gratitude and about taking yourself seriously. And I was alluding to that earlier. You know, it's took me a long time of living some more life in conjunction with being off that hit show and in which I was able to regain some balance. And as a result, I'm still working and finding pleasure in it, and finding meaning in it.
Steve Kmetko
You mentioned that you had worked with Matthew Perry his passing seems so unfair.
Steven Weber
Yeah.
Steve Kmetko
Is that how you thought about it? Or did you have any particular emotions about it?
Steven Weber
Yeah. An unfair, it's such an interesting thing to ascribe to somebody who has had so much success and wealth and opportunity. But what he did have was a very human quality, which is pain and demons and all those other things addiction and which can seep into anybody no matter how successful or happy they seem. I knew him. I worked with him. I wasn't I didn't have kind of an intimate friendship with him, but, and I was able to observe him when we were on studio 60. And he was incredibly professional. I didn't see any sign of the things that people allude to now or then for that matter. He was consummate, professional, always prepared, and, and a great actor. He could do it all. And I confessed that. I wanted him to be my friend. So, I was trying not to fan boy when I worked with him. He was a good guy. And look, I've developed a lot more empathy than I used to have. And especially getting older and seeing contemporaries fall away, or get ill or kind of lead the planet. And so, I think of him and I think of his difficulties with respect and sympathy.
Steve Kmetko
Empathy and sympathy don't seem to go with someone who is as outspoken as you can be. As you talked about the things you've written online. You can't let some things go. You have to respond. Where did that come from?
Steven Weber
Well, look, I think it, I absolutely think it's inherent in the medium itself. Those algorithms seem to kind of aggregate a person's rage. They give a person the feeling of power. Because they don't have to confront the person or the issue face to face. They can be keyboard warriors. They can ruminate and then spew it out into the ether without real consequence. Where'd that come from? I mean, I have opinions. I keep up on the news with the news, and but also I have my biases and I fall into the same traps that I think a lot of people do. The kind of confirmation bias, I know what I believe, I know what I like, so I'll be damned if I'm going to listen to somebody spewing horrible stuff into the air.
So I prefer my news sources that I guess appeal to me. That said, I like to keep a, I like to find a variety of news sources. And but in this day and age, boy, people have a have knee jerk responses to things. You know, one of the things that you and I have witnessed, and a lot of people our age, especially in the industry, is that we went from kind of analog to digital, virtually overnight. And it's the kind of excision of that moment of pondering that is really, I think, has a lot to do with how people respond and how easily they get baited and drawn into arguments without a moment to kind of ponder and chew on things and do you know what I mean? And assess them.
Then we just go in and respond and react. And I feel like with the advent of the 24-hour news cycle, and I have actually had a theory, I hope I'm not blabbering, but that this started in New York City in the maybe late seventies, early eighties, when, we come from the time when at 12 midnight the TV sets would turn to snow. They would play the national anthem, and that's it. 6:00 AM. Sunrise semester would be on, or something like that. And but some smart Alec said, you know what there's people up at 2:45. Let's show some Mary Tyler Moore shows. And I think that's what they did. They showed an hour of Mary Tyler Moore reruns, and they got huge ratings. And so that was like, let's go. And so, every bit of kind of real estate that used to be reserved for rest has now been taken up and exploited. And I think that's where that comes from. And I'm just human, Steve. I know I have a swimmer's build, but I fall into that trap. I really think that I've got to pull back because I have a life to live, and I don't want to live it, arguing with some schmuck in his basement.
Steve Kmetko
Are you happy?
Steven Weber
Yeah, I am happy. And I'm happy because I feel like I've earned this happiness. I'm still exploring it. If that makes sense.
Steve Kmetko
Has it changed over the years because of the business and living here and the success you've found?
Steven Weber
I mean, the things that make me happy now are basically centered around the happiness of my children. And the people that I love and the seriousness with which I take a task or a job. They're less superficial kind of happiness is in a way. I don't find as much happiness or joy in, I don't drink anymore, but of getting tipsy or getting high or I find happiness in much, in being more present. I've been doing a lot of traveling with my family, and that's been really kind of eye-opening, whereas I used to just do it very superficially and enjoy the trappings of travel. Now I like to go and actually experience what the hell that I, what it is that I'm doing and where I am, if that makes sense. I'm just taking things a little more seriously and that makes me happy.
Steve Kmetko
Where's your favorite place to go?
Steven Weber
I've been to Spain a few times, and that's amazing. I love London. I've been Anglophile all my life, and actually had the opportunity to work at the old Vic years back. Let's say London, Spain. I've been to islands, I've been to Africa, I've been to India. I think it's really important to try to get out of your bubble. When I say your bubble, I mean America. And I think the second somebody does that the second their head will crack open in the best sense. I think Spain for my money has been, that was incredible. Have you been, of course.
Steve Kmetko
No, I haven't been to Spain.
Steven Weber
You haven't?
Steve Kmetko
No, I haven't been to Spain, Brother Barcelona.
Steven Weber
Oh my God. Incredible.
Steve Kmetko
I always think of that Sondheim song. Where you going? Barcelona. Thanks Steven.
Steven Weber
Thank you, Steven.
Steve Kmetko
I appreciate it.
Steven Weber
You're welcome, Steven.
Steve Kmetko
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